tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10422670.post111146986454480137..comments2005-09-01T23:07:35.726-07:00Comments on Michael Prescott's Blog: Was Ayn Rand evil?Michael Prescotthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12963295565160636175noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10422670.post-1111955503278321022005-03-27T13:31:00.000-07:002005-03-27T13:31:00.000-07:00No apology needed. I took no offense. I just wante...No apology needed. I took no offense. I just wanted to be clear that Atlas was not the project in question. <BR/><BR/>I never met Barbara Branden (or Nathaniel, either - or Ayn Rand). I did meet Leonard Peikoff, Harry Binswanger, Michael Berliner, and some of the other people who were well known in the movement. I myself was not any sort of major player in Objectivism. <BR/><BR/>I think Barbara Branden resists the idea that Objectivism is or ever was a cult, and that Ayn Rand was a bad person. Perhaps she doesn't want to alienate her audience; most people who buy a bio of Ayn Rand are not going to want to be called cultists. Or perhaps she doesn't want to come to terms with her own activities in the movement. People who knew her back then have said that she downplayed her own role in some of the more unsavory developments, such as the "trials" of dissident Objectivists that were held in Rand's apartment. <BR/><BR/>On the other hand, it may just be that Barbara still sincerely believes in most of the principles espoused by Rand, and sincerely believes that Rand was a great genius and a great benefactor of humanity. If so, it's not surprising she would cut Rand some slack.Michael Prescotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12963295565160636175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10422670.post-1111907089049167482005-03-27T00:04:00.000-07:002005-03-27T00:04:00.000-07:00I owe you an apology. The opening and poorly const...I owe you an apology. The opening and poorly constructed paragraph from my last comment made it sound like I was questioning your involvement in bringing a Rand novel to the screen. <BR/><BR/>When I wrote, "That's interesting you were involved in the AS movie project." I really meant it and considering your accomplishments as an author didn't give it another thought.<BR/><BR/>I should've then started a new paragraph when I mentioned the producer owning the rights because that was in response to your concern about the estate meddling, not skepticism at your involvement in such a thing.<BR/><BR/>Public schools. <BR/><BR/>I wonder if Branden might've bent over backward as well to give her bio a seriousness as opposed to a "Mommie Dearest" revenge-a-thon taint? Did you know her? I thought her bio was exceptional and I read a lot of bios. I'm just wondering what happened to her. If she found happiness. The bio is about 15 years old I think.<BR/><BR/>Rothbard's piece is fascinating. A moral obligation to smoke? Good grief. You'd think if one doesn't believe in a God they'd want to live as long as possible. Now, that's logical.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10422670.post-1111898895517672642005-03-26T21:48:00.000-07:002005-03-26T21:48:00.000-07:00Just to clarify: I wasn't involved in an Atlas Shr...Just to clarify: I wasn't involved in an Atlas Shrugged movie project. The project involved another one of Rand's novels. This was back around 1984 - a long time ago. <BR/><BR/>It's true that taking a stand against Communism made Rand an outcast among intellectuals - although the fact that she referred openly to most of her fellow intellectuals as witch doctors and subhumans probably didn't help! <BR/><BR/>The "whitewash" comment is found in Jeff Walker's book The Ayn Rand Cult. Walker gathered together every unflattering thing ever said about Rand to produce a one-sided but eye-opening account. "Whitewash" may be too strong a term, but I do think Barbara Branden bent over backward to be kind to Rand and to excuse some of her faults on the grounds of "genius." (It is an article of faith among Objectivists that Rand was the greatest genius in at least the last 1,000 years.) <BR/><BR/>One excellent critique of the Rand movement is "The Sociology of the Ayn Rand Cult," by Murray Rothbard, which can be read online at http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard23.html . Rothbard makes it clear that the movement was really based on the glorification of Ayn Rand as "the greatest human being who ever lived."Michael Prescotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12963295565160636175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10422670.post-1111868406370134522005-03-26T13:20:00.000-07:002005-03-26T13:20:00.000-07:00That's interesting you were involved in the AS mov...That's interesting you were involved in the AS movie project. It sounded like this producer owned the rights but there may be strings attached to Rand's people that I don't doubt would be difficult to deal with. The good news is that it might force Hollywood to honor her philospohy. I agree it's dated and would be a hard sell. I always liked the mini-series idea. That would be a perfect format and it could be updated. (Though the "Rat Patrol" guy's probably too old now).<BR/><BR/>And I know Rand wasn't the only one exposing the evil's of communism, but that position hurt her in the "intellectual" circles one needs to impress to get published. At least Branden's book indicated that. It's not easy taking an unqualified stand on the evil of Communism then or now. Especially among the "arty types."I dabble in Hollywood and can assure you I wouldn't dare say I voted for Bush or considered communism evil. I wouldn't expect to be black balled just in an irrationally angry conversation. <BR/><BR/>I was at a producers house election night. I won't name him but he got a personally signed Christmas card from Spielberg and you've seen his movies. He's the nicest guy I've met here. He was having a "Bush is Done" party mixed with work, which is why I was there. It was fly by night, based on those now-infamous exit polls and he didn't know my poltics. As Florida and Ohio rolled in, this great guy, whom I still like, turned into a raging, red-face, throwing stuff, wall punching lunatic. And that's how most do their politics out here.<BR/><BR/>Personally I think the rage comes from being so wrong so often about everything. But that's the snark in me. <BR/><BR/>When you say "Branden's book was considered a whitewash." Do you mean too-nice? Too forgiving? Just curious because if Rand was worse than she came across in those pages -- whoo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10422670.post-1111805167947861082005-03-25T19:46:00.000-07:002005-03-25T19:46:00.000-07:00I would predict that there is zero chance of a mov...I would predict that there is zero chance of a movie version of Atlas Shrugged, at least as long as Leonard Peikoff, Rand's heir, is in charge of the estate. Many years ago I was briefly involved in an attempt to make a movie out of an Ayn Rand book, and I found Peikoff to be the most unpredictable, obstructionist, irrational person I ever dealt with in the movie business (and that's saying a lot). My opinion is that he will pull the plug on any movie production early in the development phase. Like most Objectivists, he is more concerned with avoiding failure (which is seen as a moral stigma) than with daring to achieve success. At least that's my take on it. But then I admit to a certain bias ... ; )<BR/><BR/>Atlas Shrugged would not, in my opinion, have the box office potential of LOTR. It's a dated novel involving the railroad industry (now all but defunct) with ultramodern technology called "Project X." Most of it would be dialogue of a philosophical (or pseudophilosophical) nature. I don't see it being a commercial hit. People have been trying to film it for years, without results. <BR/><BR/>I agree about the evil of Communism, and Lenin and Stalin and Mao and Pol Pot were every bit as evil as Hitler. But Rand was not the only person to oppose Communism. <BR/><BR/>And yes, it is tough to call another person "evil." I am very reluctant to make such a claim with regard to any non-murderer or non-dictator. But I do think Rand has been unreasonably glorified by her acolytes and whitewashed by others. (See Jeff Walker's The Ayn Rand cult for numerous examples.) The Rand documentary you mentioned seemed like a whitewash to me. Barbara Branden's book came across as evenhanded, but many other people who knew Rand personally call it a whitewash. <BR/><BR/>One thing is certain: She was always controversial and will remain so!Michael Prescotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12963295565160636175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10422670.post-1111780652763515612005-03-25T12:57:00.000-07:002005-03-25T12:57:00.000-07:00Evil is a toughie. But she was certainly a cult le...Evil is a toughie. But she was certainly a cult leader. Even if she didn't know it. Sociopath? I don't know. Narcissist? I think so. The documentary "Ayn Rand: A Sense of Life" presents a more rounded view of her. Though I found "The Passion of Ayn Rand" to be a fairly unemotional bio which is a major compliment to the author who had a reasonable axe to grind. <BR/><BR/>Reading the trades recently I saw that "Atlas Shrugged" is being considered again for a film. The thought of "today's" Hollywood making this film is unbearable. The qualities I admire in Rand are anathama to Hollwood today. How will an industry so hostile towards capitalism and enamored with Communism and unions ever be faithful to "AS?" I shiver at the prospect. <BR/><BR/>If there is any quality in Rand worthy of admiration it was her refusal to compromise on the evil of Communism -- which, incidentally, killed more people (and probably more Jews) then Hitler ever could. The thought of Hollywood "Moral Relativizing" the evil of Communism (yet again) is one thing. To do it to "AS" is nauseating.<BR/><BR/>And of course they will do it. They're talking about a "Lord of the Rings" type trilogy. That's not "Passion of the Christ" money. That's industry money. And the industry loathes everything she stood for. <BR/><BR/>I'd rather they just didn't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com